Wednesday, August 9, 2023

7. If ... my commands live in your hearts ...

Mentoring Young (@heart) Men [part 7 of 21 (or 321)]

SHEMA, listen to, the Lord Jesus, who is now your teacher, and father, under God, his God & Father and our God & Father*. (Learn his commands and do them)

Others' good eg. "Now all the tax collectors and sinners were coming near to listen to him.  Luke 15:1 NRSV
And all the people would get up early in the morning to listen to him in the temple. Luke 21:38 NRSV
They have left the straight road and have gone astray, following the road of Balaam son of Bosor, who loved the wages of doing wrong, They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption; for people are slaves to whatever masters them. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first.  2 Peter 2:15‭, ‬19‭-‬20 NRSV-CI

Time to DO, to ACT in line with stuff we've been talking about! Helped someone load trailer for housemoving, then pumpkin soup at Walkers and discussed recent  challenges and lessons.

Wednesday, August 2, 2023

6A

 Slow cooked lamb at Walkers 

Think of praying for friends God has connected us with. Question from Dave:

Tuesday, July 25, 2023

6. Your mentor (Yeshua) has made an effective way to listen to his Word to you. Use it!

Mentoring Young (@heart) Men [part 6 of 21 (or 321)]

So listen thoughtfully to obey thoughtfully, with the help of God's spirit, in order to hear God's word in his world and his scriptures on his NEW COVENANT WAY; God's NEW and LIVING WAY; His word on Jesus* (Yeshua), spoken from heaven several times in history, & THOUGHTFULLY HEAR & OBEY IT!

So listen to him,
his whole life and death,
(especially what's dim!)
from his words and breath!

So, if you have ears
or eyes, from Yahweh,
then listen to hear
some more while this day

is called now "today",
and when you lie down
then trust him to sway
you, though you may drown!

And his words as well
must be attended -
allow them to dwell
in you, till mended

you wake from your "sleep"
(which might have been "death")
and walk, and will speak,
with his life, and breath,

who is the spirit
of the Holy God;
Yeshua could hear it,
Yeshua gave nod!

-  even when anti
all his de-si-re;
Father's words grant he
could choose what's higher!



*  Then from the cloud came a voice that said, “This is my Son, my Chosen; listen to him!”. Luke 9:35 NRSV

For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we had been eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received honor and glory from God the Father when that voice was conveyed to him by the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, my Beloved, with whom I am well pleased.” We ourselves heard this voice come from heaven, while we were with him on the holy mountain.  So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by human will, but men and women moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.  2 Peter 1:16‭-‬21 NRSV-CI


Wednesday, July 12, 2023

5. Learn to listen deeply to your own Rabi/Mentor

Mentoring Young (@heart) Men [part 5 of 21 (or 321)]

Learn to SHEMA* his word to you through his world, and his scriptures, on every matter, not thoughtlessly, or blindly, but humbly and determined to try to understand, to gain wisdom, and insight. Listen to his questions of you, and respond fully.

* SHEMA(Hebrew)= Listen. See  SHEMA video online, or download.

° "Learn what I teach you, my child, and never forget what I tell you to do. Listen to what is wise and try to understand it. Yes, beg for knowledge; plead for insight. Look for it as hard as you would for silver or some hidden treasure. If you do, you will know what it means to fear the Lord and you will succeed in learning about God. Proverbs 2:1‭-‬5 GNTD

Then the three disciples saw Elijah and Moses talking with Jesus. Peter spoke up and said to Jesus, “Teacher, how good it is that we are here! We will make three tents, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” He and the others were so frightened that he did not know what to say. Then a cloud appeared and covered them with its shadow, and a voice came from the cloud, “This is my own dear Son—listen to him!” They took a quick look around but did not see anyone else; only Jesus was with them. Mark 9:4‭-‬8 GNTDThey obeyed his order, but among themselves they started discussing the matter, “What does this ‘rising from death’ mean?” And they asked Jesus, “Why do the teachers of the Law say that Elijah has to come first?” His answer was, “Elijah is indeed coming first in order to get everything ready. Yet why do the Scriptures say that the Son of Man will suffer much and be rejected? I tell you, however, that Elijah has already come and that people treated him just as they pleased, as the Scriptures say about him.” Mark 9:10‭-‬13 GNTD



Tuesday, June 20, 2023

4. Clarify who is your ultimate mentor (& your understanding of that)

Mentoring Young (@heart) Men [part 4 of 21 (or 321)

Ask God to be your chief, teacher, mentor, father, re-creator,… take on your identity as a child of God. Only move forward if you are convinced that he is willing and able to do his good work in you and through you. Then your main task will be to listen to him, and anyone he shares his job of "godding" with.

[As l learn from him, I start to see that in YHWH's books, though "godding" means "ruling", it is tied together with "loving", the best or fullest way of seeing God, is another step on from Abraham's true description of YHWH as: "the judge of all the Earth". It is the way Jesus taught his disciples/ mentees/ "children" to pray: "Our father" [the role of judge may not (in most people's minds) include fathering, but the role of father includes judging).]



Wednesday, June 14, 2023

3. Consecrate yourself for this holy task Christ gave.

Mentoring Young (@heart) Men [part 3 of 21 (or 321)



Offer yourself, warts and all, to God for his purposes, to model yourself on him1. To be quick to listen2, slow to speak3, and slow to anger4; and if/when you fail; to humble yourself5, confess your sins to (God &) each other, and pray for each other, so that you may be healed6. "Listen" (& "look") for what God is doing, for the "Chairos" (or Kairos) timing7  of God, to change, and learn, & grow in wisdom, strength and presence, and in favour & loyalty with God & man8. To be devoted to him. To be leaning forward, out of responsive love9! (In this way a romantic love relationship, or marriage, is just a faint picture, or model of God's relationship with us10)



1. Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness.  Romans 6:13 NIVUK


Jesus (our model), modelled himself on what he saw his Father doing, called us to do nothing less - the same, & consecrated himself for this purpose. "Sanctify them by  the truth; your word is truth.  As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.  For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.   ‘My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,  that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one –  I in them and you in me – so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.   ‘Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.   ‘Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.  I have made you  known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.’   John 17:17‭-‬26 NIVUK; +  John 5:19; 8:38; 14:31


2. Jesus' little brother, James, says that everyone who wishes to follow Jesus ought to take special note, of these qualities, " My dear brothers, everyone of you must be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger" (James 1:19-20). And God is billed in the OT during the Exodus, as hearing his people's complaints, and taking note of their suffering. And God's Servant says of YHWH something like this: "Morning by morning he wakens me, wakens my eyes to see, opens my ears, like a disciple, disciple who hears, I will respond and obey (though through tears)". Isa 50:4-9; 53:7-12


3. See point 2 above, and take note of how often God speaks audibly. He certainly seems "Slow to speak", not that he doesn't speak, he is just slow to speak, and then when he does speak he "strengthens the weary"... Isa 50:4-9; 53:7-12


4. See point 2 above, and take note of The words anounced regarding God when Moses is allowed to see the back of God, or the place where he just was: "The LORD, the LORD, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and ...

Ex 34:6; Num14:18; Ps 86:15; 103:8; 145:8; Neh 9:17


5. Ex 10:3; 2 Chronic 34:27; 2 Kings22:19; Dan 5:22; 10;12; 


6. LK 6:42; 1 John 1:9; James 5:16; Ps 32:5; Prov28:13


7. Jesus (our model) got his sense of timing* (not a habit of looking at a watch, but a habit of looking out, watching. Looking "up", and "around about him" to get a sense of timing) from God, possibly looking (like his apostle, Paul, did, in his letters later on) for faith, hope, or love growing in those God sent him to lead/serve. e.g. John 2:3-4; 7:6-10,30; 11:4-15; Mark 2:5; 4:40; 5:34; 5:35-36,39; 6:5-6; Especially look at his responses and sense of timing, and the ways he talks about that.


8. 1Sam 2:26; Prov 2:1-5; 3:4; Luke 2:52


9. One of the Servant Songs scattered through the second half of Isaiah: Isa 50:4-8: "The Sovereign LORD has taught me what to say, so that I can strengthen the weary. Every morning he makes me eager to hear what he is going to teach me. The LORD has given me understanding, and I have not rebelled or turned away from him. I bared my back to those who beat me. I did not stop them when they insulted me, when they pulled out the hairs of my beard and spat in my face. But their insults cannot hurt me because the Sovereign LORD gives me help. I brace myself to endure them. I know that I will not be disgraced, for God is near, and he will prove me innocent." Isaiah 50:4‭-‬8‭ GNBUK



10. Paul's explanation to the gentile nations about marriage: 

  • I am jealous for you, just as God is; you are like a pure virgin whom I have promised in marriage to one man only, Christ himself. 2 Corinthians 11:2 GNBUK


  • Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it. He did this to dedicate the church to God by his word, after making it clean by washing it in water, in order to present the church to himself in all its beauty — pure and faultless, without spot or wrinkle or any other imperfection. Men ought to love their wives just as they love their own bodies. A man who loves his wife loves himself. (People never hate their own bodies. Instead, they feed them and take care of them, just as Christ does the church; for we are members of his body.) As the scripture says, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and unite with his wife, and the two will become one.” There is a deep secret truth revealed in this scripture, which I understand as applying to Christ and the church. But it also applies to you: every husband must love his wife as himself, and every wife must respect her husband. Ephesians 5:25‭-‬33 GNBUK






*Read this short (4 page) story by Penelope Wilcox on Chairos/Kairos, and this page for help identifying Kairos moments. Once that has been combined with something like the Kolb Learning Cycle in a community setting you get something like what is presented in this 3 min general intro video on learning from Chairos (or Kairos) moments, or this 13 min video with some more explanation.


Tuesday, June 6, 2023

2. NO-ONE "belongs to" you in the "ownership" sense!

Mentoring Young (@heart) Men [part 2 of 21 (or 321)

Give up the idea of “owning” who you mentor, or of living your life (or making up for your lost opportunities, missed hopes and dreams) through your mentee (that's the word for the mentor-ee, the person being mentored). 


You don't even "own" yourself yet. You have given your allegiance, and ownership to God, in Christ. You are not your own, you were bought (like a slave in a society where slavery is rampant, who is bought by a good master who actually cares for the people under his care, gives them the freedom of his home, raises them as family, and yet allows the facade of "slavery" to be maintained where it will provide protection for those under his care, from slave traders etc.). Bought at great personal price; because of the distinct principle of love: (1 Cor 6:19-20; 7:22-23; 1Pet1:18-19). So how much less do you own anyone else?


If you have pledged fealty to Jesus, as God's Christ, you do not even own yourself! - let alone some other sibling God asks you to give your life to. That is what Jesus is talking about when he says deny your-self. You are not the owner, finding something of yours that has been misplaced or lost (Mark 8:34-40; Luke 9:23). Deny your "own" ownership, of you and others.


The people God brings to you are not to be made disciples of you, but of Jesus, and Jesus is calling you to mentor (make disciples) under him. Your job is to do yourself out of a job, and to help those you mentor to reach their full potential as the personality God made each one to be. Think of your children or siblings. How different are they from each other? The family is your model, not your culture's idea of "students" graduating from a class.


Notes along the way

Wed 2023.06.07 (- Wed 2023.05.14)


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Wednesday, May 31, 2023

1. Be a mentored man

Mentoring Young (@heart) Men [part 1 of 21 (or 321)

Get yourself mentored, even peer mentored (e.g. in an LTG, discipling triad, or DNA group, get an Anum Cara, or Alongsider, or Spiritual Director etc)! 


Ask your (peer) mentor to help you live out the following points in practice, in the way that you think, speak, and act.


  • Ask them to ask you pointedly how you are going in your life in these areas (acting, speaking, and thinking, motivation).


  • Ask your Mentor/ Spiritual Director/ Alongsider/ Anum Cara/ Peer-mentor what things have helped them come alive in Christ, or awake to the spirit of Christ, or to turn towards God & learn to pray throughout a normal day?

  • Ask them what helps them to remain a follower of Jesus, and to make sense of his world view?



NOTES ALONG THE WAY

Wed 2023.05.31 (-Wed 2023.05.07)

We 3 met at a local pub tonight and took on the challenge of learning what we could in 20min of Proverbs ch 2 GNBUK ("Learn what I teach you, my child, and never forget what I tell you to do. Listen to what is wise and try to understand it. Yes, beg for knowledge; plead for insight. Look for it as hard as you would for silver or some hidden treasure. If you do, you will know what it means to fear the LORD and you will succeed in learning about God."

...). One person memorized 2 verses, one person 5 verses, and the other person had already learned the first 8 and would refresh it. 


This was in order to meditate, during the coming week on the mindset it was trying to infect God's children with. Some weeks you can take extra time to do this, often it feels like you can't. My advice is to use the wisdom he gives, roll with the punches, and work on developing your loving response to love he shows you. 


(See this Bema intro to one of their sessions, (my daughter sent it to me yesterday) I thought they put it well: "Success is developing intimacy with God and community with each other, through a living relationship with Jesus. We believe that an individual, who is developing intimacy with God, in the context of Christian community, will make an impact for the Kingdom of God.

A team of individuals, who make an impact for the Kingdom of God, will have a fruitful ministry. Though we do not aim for “making an impact,” and we do not aim for “fruitful ministries,” we recognize that these two situations will supernaturally occur when individuals develop intimacy with God in Christian community.

Ministry is the product of our love for God, and an expression of a heart devoted to God. We must not allow “ministry for God” to crowd “intimacy with God” out of our lives. We cannot control “making an impact,” and we cannot control “fruitful ministries,” but we have absolute control over developing intimacy with God and being devoted to one another.) 


Please help us God, this week to take on the mindset of a disciple, instead of a know it all.


Here's that first help for me (from a few months ago) to attempt to put Prov 2:1-8 to music, & part of my meditating on it this week..




Monday, May 22, 2023

One Introduction - from recent life

Mentoring Young (@heart) Men

[Introduction to a multi-part reminder on mentoring]


John Anderson (a past Australian Deputy Prime Minister who has earned a reputation as an honourable man) spoke at a Christian Men's breakfast in April ( I think), in Orange, NSW, Australia. To men of all political persuasions, to move beyond optimism & pessimism, to a realism. He quoted Robert Menzies’ words

“...democracy is more than a machine; it is a spirit. It is based upon the Christian conception that there is in every human soul a spark of the divine; that, with all their inequalities of mind and body, the souls of men stand equal in the sight of God. So it is that, while Fascists and Nazis concentrate their efforts upon the power of the State, regarding the citizen as the mere minister to that power, democrats must concern themselves with what they see to be the true end and final justification of the State - a full and good life for every individual citizen. The chief end of man ceases to be the upholding of the power of the State; the chief end of the State becomes man - man the individual, man the immortal spirit.”

Accessed at 8:48 am Sat 6 April 2019, from


John Anderson's answer to Dr. Geof Chew's question on the need of the hour for Christian men like the group at the men's breakfast this morning (@ 7 am on Sat 6th April) in Orange ….

... “Young men need mentoring, (with the demise of “family”, and the absence of fathers)

hear the second half of his answer via my phone recording of the rest of his answer







Other Notes from life, thinking around about this...

Graeme Petschell:

You simply take what you have, what you feel to share, then God ... takes what you share, that seed, and multiplies it and takes it from there to transform and bring life to the other person.



Paul Meeth:
“Most people in the time of the New Testament, lived in towns of a maximum of 10,000 people…” we have cities of millions.

In speaking with PM & Graeme Petschel, …


cf Asia, Australian life is individualized little boxes, and if you wanted to go to town you get into your little box on wheels ..


In Asia, Older people sit on the pavement outside…



The manager should know his own mind and purpose.  He should work with the materials he has, and not with those he would have liked.  He must remember that he is dealing with men and not abstractions. He must foster a sense of community of interest among all those who are engaged in his enterprise.  He is to practise self-help to the limit before appealing to Government or other people. He must never lose his capacity for pioneering.

JohnAnderson.com.au twice interviewed

Jordan Peterson, whose message is basically: “Go back to your bedroom (code for “start with yourself”), and only then go out and change the world…” cf the modern popular advice given to anxsty young men “use your angst and anger etc to go out & change the world “full-stop””.